Its a bit sad when 4chan/anon has actually achieved more than you have or ever will.
Go ahead and badmouth nazi-nurse for not giving her Cecil a specific race but before you do that realize that the podcast itself is doing the same thing.
Except the podcast isn’t visual and she gave him light skin while waving her hand vaguely and saying “Oh… he could be anything if you put your mind to it, I guess.”
The race argument is important because Cecil, since he has no visuals AT ALL THANKS TO THE MEDIUM, has the potential to be any race or ethnicity. Once you put a visual to him, you’ve broken any illusion of potential.
I mean, yeah, it’s a podcast, but they still could have given him a race. He could drop hints, like his skin getting ashy, or “when my grandparents came over from…” or how he has to wear super-strong sunblock, or how he couldn’t make it in Hollywood because he refused to only ever play token characters. Hell, we have Kevin stare at a picture of him and describe him out loud. He could easily have said he was looking at a white man, or a Native American man, or a black man, etc. etc., but they chose not to do that.
Nazi-nurse was first chided for making her Cecil pale, because he would get a lot of sun in the desert and so would probably have a tan, and then she was called out for making him white and decided that his skin was naturally dark. Since making this change, she’s specifically denied that her Cecil is supposed to be white, but she’s also denied that he’s any other specific human ethnicity. I mean, obviously he’s not black, but other than that he could be pretty much anything. (He does look a little white for my tastes, but I think that’s getting into the territory of critiquing her artistic ability, which isn’t what this post is about.)
I wouldn’t call this REAL PoC representation, but it’s no LESS representation than we get from the actual podcast. I think both of them could do better.
"No Race Given" and "Ambiguously Brown" are two different things. The former allows for ALL potential headcanons of ALL races. The latter is a non-committal gesture that tries to please enough people with scraps of what could be representation because they don’t understand why everyone’s upset in the first place.
And again, the major difference is the difference in medium. Giving a non-visual character a visual look immediately limits how the character can be seen. Since Cecil is first and foremost a voice with only vague canon descriptions (and only that of his clothes and build), he can still be any race. With a visual depiction, in all fanart of him, he loses that ambiguity and becomes solidly raced.
Even if he is raced in an Ambiguously Brown way, it still limits what he could be. Like you said, her Cecil is definitely NOT black. Nor, I would imagine, is he Indian, or Aboriginal Australian. Perhaps if he were mixed race, but then, that’s not a visual that allows for ALL potential headcanons of ALL races.
So, no, her Cecil is not “doing the same thing” as the podcast.
So you’re basically saying you’re not angry because I draw him white or brown, you’re angry because I draw him, period.
That’s good to know.
What bothers me the most is that as soon as a POC does something SJWs don’t like, that person is written off as white or “white-passing”. That is so beyond fucked up. You don’t get to invalidate a person’s experiences by something that subjective. I know how easily things can get misconstrued on the web but when your mission is to label anyone who disagree with you as racist, then you’ve sort of already lost. Because you already are waiting to condemn people from the get-go and that’s a shitty way to act. People are good. Ignorant, maybe. Defensive? Yes. Disgusting racists? Definitely not the majority. Those people are pretty easy to identify. It’s always, always better to assume everyone is good and to not spend your time stewing in hate and anger over someone you think hurt you. If someone does something you disagree with, you need hard-ass facts to prove they’re inherently racist, not just your weak interpretations.
"…if you’re white and you go around saying a POC’s supposed white-passing makes them less POC, you’re racist."
she literally just said she isn’t apologizing for anything
how does the fandom even like her let alone revere her?
I’d love for Fink and Cranor and Baldwin to give her a verbal smackdown, oh my god.
HAHAHA I have nothing to apologize for, and Fink already knows about me, so sit the fuck down. Or you know, tell him how much you dislike me anyway, pester him on twitter about your own personal grudge, see how many fucks he gives. You guys are just hilarious.
I normally don’t draw porn because I suck at it but since punkrockgaia mentioned Cecil riding Carlos to the tune of “El Matador” by Los Fabulosos Cadillacs I just can’t get the image out of my head.
Also, these requests.
Carlos the househusbend
You guys have a weird obsession with couples getting killed in front of each other.
Kevin R Free design and the character of Diego are from Nazi-Nurse
You remembered the strexcorp brand!
Taking this chance to draw him doing actual scout stuff. And wearing his dumb Scoutmaster hat.